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| CaptZed |
Posted on 03-01-2009 01:46
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Winter League resumes on Weds 7th Jan, and has now reached the K/O stage.
Because we only ended up with 7 teams instead of 8 there's only one game on Weds 7th
Match B - 6th place Matadors Vs 7th place Bitches
Match A - with 5th place Underdogs getting a Bye
Weds 14th Jan
Match C - 4th place Buzzards Vs 5th place Underdogs
Match D - 3rd place Sparkley Zeds Vs Winner Match B
Weds 21st Jan - Semi-Finals
1st place Kippers Vs Winners match C
2nd place Old Lads Vs Winners match D
Weds 28th Jan
Singles K/O
Weds 4th Feb
Team & Individual Finals |
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| CaptZed |
Posted on 06-01-2009 18:01
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Only one match this week
Matadors Vs Bitches
And it will be end of the road for one of them, and possibly the first step on a giantkilling run to the Final for the other.
Bitches recorded their one win of the league stage, last match of the stage against the Matadors, who will presumably be out to reverse that scoreline, But the 3 frame start, coupled with Matadors difficulties in fielding a full strength side means this could be close.
Bitches also have their problems with numbers, and could suddenly find themselves short of five on the night.
CaptZed's Prediction :-
If the Bitches get their best 5 out on the night, I think they'll pinch it, but with only 6 eligible players any absentees could cost them dearly. |
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| Dutchy |
Posted on 06-01-2009 18:48
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CaptZed wrote:
Bitches also have their problems with numbers
What's he said now?
Can't see anyone matching a full strength team of Sparkley Zeds, be nice have all the boys there for next weeks game Capt now we're in the K.O Stages, they'll be some serious batterage for our opponants |
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| CaptZed |
Posted on 06-01-2009 19:00
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Incidentally K/O games involving the Bitches could end up as drawn.
The Winner is the first to 10 frames, but if it goes 9-9, each team must nominate one player to play a sudden death deciding play-off frame. Remembering of course that all the normal rules apply, including the restriction on a player playing consecutive frames, so that player cannot be the same one that played the last frame prior to the play-off frame, but can be any other eligible player whether they played in last set or not, or indeed whether they have played any frames on the night or not. |
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| CaptZed |
Posted on 06-01-2009 21:46
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Dutchy wrote:
CaptZed wrote:
Bitches also have their problems with numbers
What's he said now?
Can't see anyone matching a full strength team of Sparkley Zeds, be nice have all the boys there for next weeks game Capt now we're in the K.O Stages, they'll be some serious batterage for our opponants
Yes the competition proper starts now, so far its all been about jockeying for a not too disadvantaged position entering the final straight. From now on teams will be eliminated each week until we get down to a final two.
Kippers have done well so far, but have they peaked too early?
A very strong Zeds lineup happy to have slipped into 3rd place, which means they won't meet the Kippers until the Final, should they both make it.
Whether the Zeds end up winning the Winter League for the 3rd time in its 4 year history or not, I'm just happy that I've had Dutch & Grinder playing together in the same team, something that might have been unthinkable not that long ago. |
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| Yoda |
Posted on 07-01-2009 09:19
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Dutch, Grinder & Yoda!!! |
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| Lee Carter |
Posted on 07-01-2009 18:13
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Yoda wrote:
Dutch, Grinder & Yoda!!!
Don't forget the cue carrier capt!! |
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| Dutchy |
Posted on 08-01-2009 05:39
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Result from last night please ? |
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| turtle |
Posted on 08-01-2009 06:49
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capt can you refresh my memory was there arule that you had to play in a certain amount of games in the league before you could play in the finals??
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| Yoda |
Posted on 08-01-2009 09:15
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You had to be in attendance for four matches. As there was no entires for reserves on the match sheet you had to play at least one frame in four different matches. |
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| jigsaw |
Posted on 08-01-2009 15:41
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the matadors lost as a phew people was mucking about |
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| Dutchy |
Posted on 08-01-2009 15:55
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So the Zeds play the Bitches next wednesday, i can't believe they won, the matadors must of threw it
Should be an easy and early night next wednesday Capt, perhaps a few of the boys should geta bit of practice in for the Lads game the following week. |
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| CaptZed |
Posted on 08-01-2009 16:28
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Yoda wrote:
You had to be in attendance for four matches. As there was no entires for reserves on the match sheet you had to play at least one frame in four different matches.
No, you had to play at least one frame in 50% of the league matches to be eligible to play in either the K/O stage or the Singles K/O.
And as each team played 6 League games, that figure becomes 3. |
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| CaptZed |
Posted on 08-01-2009 18:06
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turtle wrote:
capt can you refresh my memory was there arule that you had to play in a certain amount of games in the league before you could play in the finals??
Yes 50% of league matches, meaning at least one frame in 3 different matches.
Unfortunately for you Turtle the Old Lads not being prepared to attend the last League match, with however many players they could muster, means that you, amongst others, now fall short of the criteria. I don't know if you would have attended or not, but you were apparantly denied the chance by team policy.
Many people have suggested that the Old Lads should have received greater punishment for the total lack of respect they showed, some even suggesting that they ought to have been excluded from the K/O stages. However as no such rule was in place prior to the comp, I consider that would have been too harsh.
It might mean, however, that such a rule might need to be included next time. |
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| ElTel |
Posted on 09-01-2009 09:56
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When does the league start again and who is playing for who now the Lamb has folded then? |
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| blakey |
Posted on 09-01-2009 11:32
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Sometimes captzed your quotes hit me where it hurts..
The reason the lads did not turn up was due to players being away or ill.
Myself and richard was available but could not win the match so we decided to inform the club and our opponents of our absence.
with gary laydon,mark neylon,micheal,Shaggy not being able to play in the ko stages due to one reason or another could see the lads fold for the semi final due to another soppy rule.
Friendly league my arse...
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| CaptZed |
Posted on 09-01-2009 13:10
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I'm sorry Blakey, but a friendly league doesn't mean you shouldn't take seriously the participation in it.
You don't seem to realise the chaos caused by a team failing to turn up. The main purpose of the Winter League is to provide Barking Pool Club with a continuous Weds night income replacing the big hole that the Barking & District League closed season leaves. So the club sponsors the league, provides the Trophies , free tables and free food and the League is therefore free to enter for the teams. As such I think it should only be considered common courtesy for the teams to repay that by at least attending all the matches whether they are short or not, at least making an effort.
From an organisors point of view its a nightmare. What do you do? Give the other team a walkover, cos its not their fault? Yes but that's hardly fair on the other teams in the league who have or will face a full strength Lads (only using them as an example now) Maybe the 'innocent' team are nip & tuck with another team who played and lost to the Lads, but by receiving a walkover it puts them 2 points ahead. Is that fair on the third team.
Then there's the player rankings, not of enormous importance I'll grant, but nonetheless a lot of players do take interest in them and are concerned to have their name as high as possible.
A team doesn't turn up, so what do you do about their opponants individual win points? Do you give them all 3 out of 3, again not fair on the players of other teams, and anyway how do you know if any one player would have played all 3 if they have a squad of 7 or 8.
In the Winter League there is no minimum number of players you need to play a match, so even just two players could play against a full side and win as many as 6 frames, and 3 players could even win a match. Obviously not ideal, but does show some respect to the club and opponants who I understand in this case were not informed until they'd actually turned up on the night.
You've hit a raw nerve on this one Blakey, cos as someone involved in running Leagues, Inter-League & County, teams failing to turn up or dropping out are the bain of my life and involve me in no end of extra work rewriting tables and recalculating ranking lists.
If I were the only Sparkley Zed available to play against the Old Lads, I would turn up on my own, apologise in person to both your team and the club, and then give it my best shot to win as many of the three frames I could play as possible.
Different people, different ideas of whats right & wrong & proper.
End of lecture, and I hope both Zeds & Lads have full sides when (if) we meet and the winner will earn a place in the final in the right & proper way, and be able to take some pride in that. |
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| CaptZed |
Posted on 09-01-2009 13:32
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And another thing Blakey
The 50% rule, whereby only players who've played at least 1 frame in half their team's league matches can play in either the Team K/O or Individual K/O is not a soppy rule.
Its there to prevent certain teams, and we all know the likely suspects, from bringing in ringers for the vital stages and playing them ahead of players who have supported the league throughout. 50% is not a particularly high requirement and anone taking the league at all seriously (even though its a fun league) ought really to be able to easily reach that figure, if not imho they shouldn't enter in the first place. The rule was in place at the start, and indeed has been for the previous 3 years the league has run, so shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
Some players in my team have turned up on nights when it wasn't really convenient for them and we didn't really need them just to ensure they fullfilled the 50% criteria, and I'm sure other teams similarly made sure they had enough 50% plus players.
Its a common rule throughout pool at all levels these days. You have to play 50% local league to play Interleague, you need to play 50% Interleague to play in National Finals, you have to play 50% County matches to retain a place in England National squad, so this isn't just a quirky idea used only in the Barking Winter League.
And another thing, why aren't there more buses between Barkingside & Ilford, and why do they turn up together when they do come? |
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| blakey |
Posted on 09-01-2009 15:00
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You have gone on far too much for my brain to soak up the number crunching facts.
But what i do know is that both me and rich was ringing around to get a team out to be informed around 6pm that another 2 players could not make it.
Then i called the club and yardy to inform him of the situation i was in, to which he would pass a message on to the captain for me.
So yes the players who let me down dont have 50% and in a result will leave the lads short in the semi final
but hay its only for fun NOT..
Put it this way i wont be putting a team in it next year for defo...and as for the semi if we have two players we wont br coming...another headache for you. |
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| Dutchy |
Posted on 09-01-2009 15:17
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ElTel wrote:
When does the league start again and who is playing for who now the Lamb has folded then?
I think you've missed the boat Terry, most Lamb players have found new teams and with the registrations due in next week i think most teams are now filled, with the people i know and with pulling a few strings for an old mate like yourself there may just be one team at Roneo Corner that may require your services, they're a friendly bunch, i'll have a word with the Crown Arms skipper and see what i can do  .
Joking aside if you wanted a team to play for i may be able to juggle things about in My team, let me know sharpish though as i'm going through applicants at the moment. |
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